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NorthWinds Eclectic Pagan Community is an Eclectic community for all pagans to come and learn and teach and have fun around others how share common ideas! NorthWinds Eclectic Pagan Community aquilo, jason, wicca, wiccan, wiccae, rede, watchers, watchtowers, casting, pagan, moon, what is wicca, pentacle, pagan, wicca, wiccan, witch, witchcraft, druid, celtic, divination, meditation, god, gods,goddess, deities, pentacle, pentagram, spells, message board, BB, yabb, rituals, recipes, crafts, sabbats, bos, book of shadows, scrying, tarot, runes, help, adult, magick, magic, dutchies, Occult, community, Spirit, Earth, Air, Water, Fire, The Three-Fold Law, spells, red head goddess, birthdays events holidays, arencibia     Comments - Eclectic Pagan Commu Jason on November 11, 2005 said: hey post links here to your Pagan sites! Justin on November 17, 2005 said: Why are we feared. James on November 17, 2005 said: who's "we" ? Pagans? shannie on November 17, 2005 said: I was just looking for scared spells . I am into oldfashioned ways of spells and herbel healing . If anyone knows of any please email me :) Aquilo on November 25, 2005 said: Join the forums @ http://www.aquilo.us/ The red head Goddess can answer questions about herbel healing! H on November 27, 2005 said: Finding What You’re Looking For by Casting a Final Spell!!! Friends of spell casting, I just got news that my dear friend, Michelle, in her early thirties, died this morning.  Very sad.  Very shocking.   At first it was headaches that left her unable to work, then it spread to her heart which put her in the hospital.  The doctors had no idea what was going wrong.  Essentially, “I’m sorry” was the diagnosis and care plan.  And now she’s dead.  A tragedy.  She spent so much of her last few years in pain.       If you’re reading this then you’re probably into spells and spell casting.  You’ve probably seen some success.   You probably know that there is a spiritual force (or forces) out there that can sway flesh and mind to grant wishes and spells.  But have you ever asked the question “Who”, and “Why”, and “at what cost?” In the Bible, which take it or leave it has tremendous spiritual power, says that a third of the heavenly host rebelled against God and fell from heaven.  Instead of destroying these beings, God banished them to an eternal existence with enough power to do bad and grant evil.   But evil is not just composed of the horrible things that we associate with it like murdering, hate, torture, boy bands, etc… Evil can be, and most often is, pleasurable.   Since all humans desire pleasure, then it would only seem reasonable to suggest that the fallen angels who have the power to do bad and grant evil have the power to grant desirable spells and wishes.  These are the beings that get things done.  These are the magical beings that give us our pleasures and answer our spells – but at what cost? I’m writing this to you because I think I’ve found the answer.  The cost is death.  Not just physical death that my friend tragically experienced this morning, but eternal death – the kind of death that none of us would want but so many of us are being led toward. Beware, my friend! We get what we want from certain spells to receive pleasure (of some sort) to lure us away from a deeper source of pleasure. As CS Lewis said, “We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in the slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased." I plead with you today to not be easily pleased.  A more satisfying source of pleasure is freely available to us and so many of us have not heard of such a thing.   You can obtain this everlasting pleasure by casting a final spell: “God, creator of everything, sovereign master of spells and magic.  Release me from my desire to seek satisfaction from spiritual forces that lead me astray.  Show me a path toward everlasting satisfaction that I’ve been missing.  Grant me new eyes, new ears, and a new heart to see, hear, and feel you.  Allow me to pick up and read from the greatest book of all time, the Holy Bible, to see that my perception of Jesus has been mislead and false – that you are indeed the true source of life and joy.  Please bring people into my life that will encourage me to know you, and help me find a church that isn’t full of the narrow-minded hypocrites that have averted me from the faith for so long.  Amen.” Any questions?  Any thoughts?   I say this because I really care. Delilah Williamson on December 4, 2005 said: Funny, "because i care" didn't have the  gonads to put down their name on the above piece of propaganda. i am sorry if you have had a bad experience... I could tell YOU something that has happened to me, but because it isn't part of your scripted outcome, I won't waste my time. but I will tell you this much, in my moment of near insanity, your holy book, and your beloved jesus (who is nothing but a 3rd rate magician) provided absolutely NO COMFORT for me whatsoever....and by the way don't jump on the old "Satanist" hobby horse that your ilk are so prone to doing with folks like me. I don't belive in Satan...your religous CULT invented him, YOU belive in him. By the way...I care and I am NOT ashamed to put my name on this!! Delilah Williamson caitlny on December 5, 2005 said: does anyone know how to make revenge voodoo dolls? Patrice on December 11, 2005 said: i hate churchy ppl, tryin to act like where the ones doing the wrong hell most of the time where the only ones helping pplz ifs summin is wrong wif u mr churchie guy ITS UR OWN FKN FAULT GET THE FK OVER IT and if u want help seek it from sum 1 who will help not sum brain twisted god whom aint there hell my lifes shit a whole shit load of crap was dumped on me so i told god to shuve it were the sun dont shine and now i have my true religion and im sitckin to it coz now things r finally getting betta so go suck a lemon u filthy worm and dont waits our time wif ur bitchin and moaning Tree H on December 13, 2005 said: Patrice - you're right, part of the problem with church these days is that there churchie people in it.  In fact, churches are full of some of the worst sinners and hypocrites you'll find, myself included.  The cool part about the Bible, however, is that it’s not about religion – its about Jesus, who made fun of churchie people.   Delilah, I appreciated your words and have taken the last week or so to really think about them.  I’ll write more soon.   ~H    Patrice on December 14, 2005 said: oh no please dont do you want to kill us all with bordom neuk hoer ur soooo meh plz just stay quiet for the good of the universe im sure jesus would agree with me katherina spradlin on December 15, 2005 said: This is the first time I have been on this site but I must say that I have been asked many times by those of shall we say the christian faith "Why I chose to follow a wiccan path?". I have always been very honest and explained I found a Peace and Fullfillment with my choice. I attended church for many years and yes I felt the "Spirit" there but knew it simply wasn't the right path for me. I have friends who are wiccan, pagan, catholic, and christian. I am thankful for anyone who find the right path of love, peace, and fullfillment that is right for them. And most people when you treat them with respect and speak with respect I have found will respect your right to believe as you see fit. but the attitude and disrespect I saw in the response to "H's" posting, was the worst kind of religous bashing I have seen. Stop calling everyone else hypocrits and look in yourself because words like that do nothing but harm are go against the wiccan creed. Speak out, stand up for what you believe, and be respectful when you do it. Because if mean and angry is all YOU send out then that is all you will every receive in your life. I'm proud of who and what I am. And nothing tramatic sent me running here I found my path thru refelction and soul searching you need to do the same and follow a loving path.          thanks for listening from someone who is proud of who and what I am.    Katherina Spradlin, celtic witch Rod Sisk on December 17, 2005 said: You are right Katherina! Harm none! be it in spirit mind or body. As an out side observer, all I could See was a pack of "rabid wolves" lashing out at a person for sharing feelings! As wrong as the rest of You think "H" may be, You have not helped anyone, by lashing out with hatefull words.    Please people! don't get caught up in a stream of negativity. You will only feed it! H on December 17, 2005 said: Katherina and Rob, thank you.  Though I do have a few thoughts about your posts i'd like to respond to Delilah's statement: “in my moment of near insanity, your holy book, and your beloved jesus (who is nothing but a 3rd rate magician) provided absolutely NO COMFORT for me whatsoever” First of all, I’m sorry.  It breaks my heart that you had so much pain.  This is a common question to the Christian community; why would a loving God allow pain and suffering? I won’t pretend to know the answer – men and women far greater than I had written volumes about this question and done it far more justice.   But there are a few things I’ve learned – and the first one is that Jesus didn’t die for my earthly happiness.   There ARE seasons of happiness that come and go (betwixt times when I sin and times when I am sinned against), but throughout the Bible God seems to be far more concerned with His glory, and consequently, our Joy.  To quote a modern theologian: “God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him”.  Happiness is circumstantial.  Joy can exist anytime, even amongst suffering.   One of the best life analogies I’d heard is that of a very busy street and a fenced backyard in which a father has a bunch of his kids playing around.  Because he loves them, he tells them to have fun in the yard but not to climb over the fence because of the heavy traffic.   The mystery of life is that for some reason we all desire to ignore (or straight-up disobey) the father and climb the fence to play in traffic instead.   One could extend this metaphor biblically and say that we all start outside the fence in the “traffic of life.”  Some of us spend our whole lives in traffic before we get hit and die.  While others get sick of the traffic and go knock on the father’s door for safety, because they know that door will be opened for whomever knocks. Now I know what many of you might say.  “but I like the traffic” - “I’m in a car and crusing” - “I’m miles away from the house and found something better “ – “I’m in a different dimension and see all these people worrying about houses and traffic” – etc… But the truth is, we all exist in this traffic world.  The key is knowing that every single car is a “deceptive car” that loves to tempt people with common pleasures, grant wishes and spells, and generally confuse, accuse, and deceive people into thinking there is either no father’s house, or that it certainly isn’t a very important place to be.  If they just ran kids over right away no kid would come or stay...   Now metaphors aren’t perfect but you get the idea.  Only in a world with no traffic would we escape suffering.  But thankfully there is a loving father who not only lets us in his wonderful yard when we knock on the door, but he also comes out to traffic to rescue us from death.   Will you let him save you?  The invitation is open to come and play in the yard.   katherina on December 17, 2005 said: To H, You will find that there are a wide range of beliefs when it comes to pagans and wiccans, but did you know that many, or at least many I know belief the GOD is real or have the belief that there is only "ONE" and he takes the face of what you need to find the path of love in you. I myself live in a household with 1 christian, 1 wiccan, 1 jew, and 1 who believes in the good inside of him. We respect each others right to "believe" and follow the simple rule to tell each other how we feel about each belief but give that person the respect, right, and love to follow thier own path. Who knows, when the time finally comes maybe it nothing more than love, truth, and respect that will be what sorts us all out. Just a thought for you to ponder.         respectfully yours, Katherina katherina on December 17, 2005 said: Just a second note to H, Belief me, I live in a high traffic world, and yes I have lost and grieved many times. I do not cast spells asking for happiness or wealth, I am a healer and do my best to help people whenever I can. This is where my happiness comes from. I have been down and out many times but when the final word is said all comes together and the day ends with a sigh of relief and a smile. Things may not always work the way I want them to but I always seem to have what I NEED at the end of the day. Seems to me that sound a lot like what you were saying too. Maybe its not as different as you might think. By the way, I congradulate you on finding the path that is right for you and if speaking to others about GOD and Jesus is the right path for you then so be it. Just one word of advice, SPeak to people don't PReach to people. More will listen. And to those who attack instead of explain, maybe its time to look into yourselves for the path of understanding that brought you this far because it sounds like you may have lost your way in the darkness. Just a personal thought.           Thank you again,    Katherina hedera_luna on December 18, 2005 said: i need peoples help and advice - two years ago i had this dream about a cult called Cobra, since then this image keeps re-accuring in my life i see it every where. I know it has some importance but all i know so far is i was born in the chinese year of the snake which is often depicted as a cobra. Any information on spells deities etc would be most welcome. blessed be xx hedera_luna hedera_luna on December 18, 2005 said: as a ps to my previous comment whoever is posting all this christian bullshit please don't tell me about the snake who tempted eve in genesis or the beast in the book of revelations i know all that crap. though iam intrigued to know - whats it like beliveing in something that was made up by male chauvanistic pigs? lilith was the original inhabiter of eden she divorced adam, but of course the men who ruled the church didnt like the women havin a strong feminine role model so wrote her out of the bible. whats it like believing in something ruled by male opressers? coz i can tell you what its like believing in something that is truely equal for everybody. blessed be xx hedera_luna katherina on December 18, 2005 said: You may know what its like to believe in something that is equal for everyone, but from someone who also believes, I would like to know why you are so angry at anyone else who believes different from you. If you really believe then practice your believe and offer what you want from others. (not to be condemed or spoke down to for your beliefs) and as far as the Cobra goes it has been my personal exp. that someone is trying to show you something. I had a similar exp. and it finally came down to alot of meditation and looking in. I found my answer that way, it may work for you as well but don't look for a quick fix but a lot of looking within. The goddess was showing me my path, but it took me quite a bit of meditation to get the whole message. Remember, "Do what ye will but harm none", words can be as harmful as a fist.         blessed be, katherina hedera_luna on December 18, 2005 said: thank you i do not mean to look down on others and i retract my angry words but, i have suffered at the hands of people who supposedly believe in an all loving god. im afraid that some times i lash out at the wrong people. iam not looking for a quick fix i have and do meditate on it as often as i can and i know the goddess, i can find the answer in learning. i only ask for help of thoses who are wiser than me. blessed be hedera_luna xx Rod Sisk on December 19, 2005 said: Luna,    I think that You may have answered your own question. Every thing happens for a reason. Just these last few entries have made You realise that you have a tendency to lash out at others that may meen you no harm.    You have diveloped this reaction because you have been harmed before.    This was a life lesson that made you stronger. You know now that just because someone follows or just clames to follow a religion that forbids them from doing harm to others, does not make them uncapable of doing so. This does not just apply to christians but pegans alike. We are all human. The way we react and learn from lifes lessons is what truely empowers us and makes us stronger.    Most people view a snake as a "strike first, ask questions later kind of creature"    So you're dreams may hold a deeper meaning, but perhaps they are just a way of letting yourself see how others may see You!   You don't have to stay all "coiled up waiting to strike anybody that resembls the one that hurt you.   Let Me leave You with this analogy. Just because You know that fire can burn you, does,t mean you have to blow out evey candel you find.   Youv'e learn to give just enough space so that you can enjoy the light and warmth without getting burned. blessed be! Rod Sisk H on December 19, 2005 said: Hey all, at present I only have time to respond to one topic....that being the following: "whats it like believing in something ruled by male opressers? coz i can tell you what its like believing in something that is truely equal for everybody." As I alluded to above, the Christian church is for *sinners* wanting respite from a sick and dying culture.  This includes men - who fail to respond to the biblical call to be like Christ to women, especially their wives.  Men don't see that they should be the ones stripped naked, physically tortured, publically mocked, and send to carry their own splintered execution device before suffering a long and bloody death - everyday - just to love their wives.  Unless a man understands this, he is either a coward or a tyrant.   Also, I would submit to you that without the Bible's influence, woman today would be far worse off... even a concept like " A woman should learn..." (1 Tim 2:11) was revolutionary. I would also submit to you that if anyone actually tried to follow what the Bible says, women would be far better off.  As is it today, men treat women about the same as used cars - and guess what? Women enourgage it... Sad. Haze Orion on December 27, 2005 said: Shannie,     My name is Haze Orion. I was wondering if you are from the Seattle area? Do you or did you ever live in Seattle or Tocoma Washington? Please e~mail me at hazeorion@msn.com even if you are not the person that I was hoping that you were. May the Gods and the Goddesses keep you and yours!                                                     Minister Haze Orion                                         Founder of: Phazes of the Moon. on December 29, 2005 said: greetings fellow pegans, me and my friend are just beginning to enter the pegan world we are both very interested in the life style and we were wondering if you could reccomend anything, and post a page for begginers.  WE were also wondering what kind of magic would be better for us.  We have done our research for well over a year before we began.  any suggestions would totally help                                 -Rayne& magenta Geena on January 14, 2006 said: Wow - interesting dialogue. I am not Pagan, Christian, Wiccan or any or organized spiritualized belief system. I was raised and am raising my children to think individually for themselves and to seek their own spiritual awareness. Spirituality finds different people in different ways  - and I respect all and try to enlighten those who are bigoted toward another belief system (Christians can be some of the worst ofenders but then so can Muslims). If you find your path through Shamanism, or Paganism, then that is the right path for you...the important thing, is that you have sought enlightenment and found a path at all. I think the real critical tragedy is that there are so many people who seek no spiritual avenues at all and only worship capitalism and the pusuit of material things. These are the people who are already dead. Respectfully to all, Geena Geena again on January 14, 2006 said: Additionally I always wonder when I see people who have such strong opposing opinions on a site like this. If you truly oppose teh vieewpoints posted here, why did you come here? Why are you not posting with people whose viewpoints are more closely aligned with your own? I am not against respectful and intellegent debate but I do not agree with anonymous propaganda posting under the guise of missionary efforts. If this is your motive then you should be prepared with logical, well thougth out points of debate - in other words, don't just quote a scripture, be more than a trained monkey. You have to know your theology. As I have said, I am not a big fan of ANY organized religion; however I do know a lot about world history and the effect that organized religions have had on it's development (mostly negative in my humble opinion). So if you want to debate, come out and play, other wise, shut up and go color somewhere more your own speed and intellegence level and send someone with more wit and knowledge. Guenevere on January 24, 2006 said: How very interesting.  I have been reading through all of your postings. Each of you has a unique view on the world based on your individual experiences.  I grew up Catholic and hated the church (not the people) for the oppressive role they gave woman. I have dabbled in Wicca, converted to another religion and now returned to wicca. My life experiences of extreme trauma illness and war have let me to look for a higher meaning in the world around me. Supposedly we were created in the image of "God" and have a mission to become as "he" is.... an interesting theory since no one seems to be able to agree on what God is or who he is.  Every religion in the world seems to have similiar beliefs and belief systems from the Jews to Christians to Muslims if you look hard enough you will find it. The question is who is right...or are we all right?  I recently read Dan Browne's Davinci Code... an interesting read for any who have not read it yet.  Although I don't believe everything said in the book there are some enlighting questions poised beneath the surface.  Pagans and Wiccans have a belief in the Feminine... a Goddess in some instances a Goddess and a God, Christians believe in Christ and God and many glorify Mary and many other female saints... Muslims in their own accord hold woman in a sacred state...ever try to speak to a Muslim woman without her husband there to obsearve...I've wondered about that many times and looked into it... supposedly it's not oppression but protection...(anyone who knows more please enlighten me)....  If there is a "GOD" in the form that Christians believe... and Christ as well as other prophets of many religions are to prove as the perfect examples.... and these religions santify Marriage...then where is Christ's wife... where is the Goddess with the God.... What is the role of man and woman in regards to each other as well as to a higher power? It is interesting how the world can perverse even the sacred to serve their own purposes... Perhaps the bigger lesson to be learned is that we should not only look for the truth in our own religions and practices but the truth in all things of life....for what we see may not be what it really is... but molded to fit what the populase wants it to be...  Let me ask the question... what do you think is the grand scheme... the ultimate purpose for our lives....???  I invite your opinions without prejudice... I am a creature of infinate curiosity.... lol lol Lady Guenevere NATIVEHONEY69 on January 26, 2006 said: FIRST OF ALL IM WRITING IN REGARD TO THE FIRST LETTER ABOUT THE LADY WHOSE FRIEND TRAGICALLY DIED IN HER THIRTIES, ALL OF MY CONDOLENCES, ME MYSELF AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN GOD, I JUST AM CURIOUS ABOUT WICCA DOES GOD REALLY THINK IT IS OK FOR PEOPLE TO USE IT PERSONALLY I KNOW THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND THAT IS JESUS CHRIST AND TO ALL YOU BELIEVERS OUT THERE WHO BELIEVE U CAN DO THINGS ONLY GOD CAN DO I HAVE ONLY A FEW WORDS TO SAY TO YOU "I PRAY FOR YOU". GOD WILL BE YOUR JUDGE PLEASE PICK UP YOUR BIBLE NOT THE BOOK OF SHADOWS IN THE END GOD WILL SHOW U WHICH BOOK U SHOULDVE CHOSE AND HOPEFULLY IT WAS THE BIBLE. HEAVEN OR HELL WHERE DO U THINK U WILL GO IF U KEEP BELIEVING U CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN ONLY GOD CAN! NATIVEHONEY69 on January 26, 2006 said: FIRST OF ALL IM WRITING IN REGARD TO THE FIRST LETTER ABOUT THE LADY WHOSE FRIEND TRAGICALLY DIED IN HER THIRTIES, ALL OF MY CONDOLENCES, ME MYSELF AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN GOD, I JUST AM CURIOUS ABOUT WICCA DOES GOD REALLY THINK IT IS OK FOR PEOPLE TO USE IT PERSONALLY I KNOW THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND THAT IS JESUS CHRIST AND TO ALL YOU BELIEVERS OUT THERE WHO BELIEVE U CAN DO THINGS ONLY GOD CAN DO I HAVE ONLY A FEW WORDS TO SAY TO YOU "I PRAY FOR YOU". GOD WILL BE YOUR JUDGE PLEASE PICK UP YOUR BIBLE NOT THE BOOK OF SHADOWS IN THE END GOD WILL SHOW U WHICH BOOK U SHOULDVE CHOSE AND HOPEFULLY IT WAS THE BIBLE. HEAVEN OR HELL WHERE DO U THINK U WILL GO IF U KEEP BELIEVING U CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN ONLY GOD CAN! hedera_luna on January 28, 2006 said: to nativehone69 im sorry u feel that way, i don't believe there is a right or wrong religion.i believe some people take religion too far when they try to convert everyone to their way of thinking, people find "god" in different ways whether it be christianity, islam or paganism all religions have a similar base belief- if we a good in this life we are rewarded in the next.i am glad u have found god through the bible because he/she brings a new dimension to ur life, but don't waste ur time praying for me ive found the goddess through my book of shadows and i wouldnt have it any other way. hedera_luna Deardre on February 5, 2006 said: I wanted to say: re: protecting women: it is a form of protecting women from men, that there beauty does not incite lust in the men, that no disrespect is visited upon them that the strict rules are placed, i believe. i am not 100% sure. re: God: in all his her it there forms: I don't have a problem with God. It's the Fan Club I can't stand. reason? ya'll are too busy peckin at the specks in one another's eye to take the plank from your own. pratice what your preach to us. be open minded, tolerant, and GO TO THE SOURCE, not just some watered down translation that was re-vamped because a king was not happy with what he read, or a man was not happy with what was taught, so he made his own faction. I am considered an ecclectic pagan. This means i don't follow just one tradition, i use pieces of assorted traditions that fit my needs. people have asked me, what is your proof? I want to know what proof others have besides the bible. My traditions have been passed down orally from a time before writing. My traditions have been carefully passed from one person to the next. unlike the game telephone, we check to make sure that we have it correctly. I was into this, i believed in this, before i knew what this was. I raised my arms to the sun, I danced in the rain, i covered myself in the earth, because it was a joy to me. I danced under the stars, i wished on the moon, i rhymed my way through the night, before i knew it had a name. To me, Magick is LIFE, and all that comes with it. life, death, happy, sad, are part of the same circle. without one, how could you define the other? I have laughed in the middle of orgasm for no other reason than it felt good to be alive. christian, annoymous christian, go dance in the rain on a cold summer day, go watch the birds mate and the cats play, and hunt, go watch nature's rythems, go watch all these things, and laugh under the stars, go feel ALIVE. go feel with every sense, go taste the rain, the sleet, the hail, the snow. go touch the puddles, the earthworms, go smell the wildflowers! go watch children who have not reached the age of understanding play. go play like they do. go be alive, then tell me there is no such thing as Magick. as for me, i thank the God and Goddess for this time around on the Wheel of life. H on February 7, 2006 said: Deardre, you enjoy God's creation.  Good.  I invite you to open your heart, open your mind, open your Bible, and open your eyes to feel, realize, read, and see that the creator is Jesus.   Regarding magick - as Christians we fully believe that magick is real and very powerful.  Our struggles are on a spiritual level - and unfortunately many of us are deceived by tempting spirits and magick.  Be filled with the Holy Spirit - ask God for whatever you want. "Delight yourself in the Lord, and He will give you the desires of your heart" Ps 37:4 Think about that one for a minute.  You can throw a spell into the spiritual medium and it will likely be granted (leading you to death), but you could also throw a prayer to Jesus and he'll give you what you need (leading you to everlasting life).  Give it a try.   It really is a miracle that Jesus welcomes cowardly, arrogant, narrow-minded, selfish, deceitful, rebellious, and pathetic people like me into His arms. ~H DB Goldsmith on February 7, 2006 said:   I am rather disturbed by so many of you taking a defensive position when it comes to faiths other then your own. Yes, there are militant Christians out there. (Let me assure you, I am not one!) Just as there are militant EVERYTHING out there. I think the point isn't to promote so much one way of thinking as it is to accept diversity, and ttreat each other with respect. After all, we are all still people, adn wheteverdifferences we may have, we are all still part of the divine.     If anyone wants to take issue with me on my stance, feel free to email me at snow112@hotmail.com  and we can discuss things further.   Love, Hope, Happiness,     DB Goldsmith Haze Orion on February 7, 2006 said: Shannie, or to who ever is responding to my 1 and only post to this site,   I am verry sorry for not responding to your comments, but I can not seem to remember my password. I have tried everything! If you could post your comment out here for all to see, then I will be able to comment back!                                   Thanks                               Minister Haze Orion                               Founder of:                               Phazes of the Moon. stacy(dude) on February 8, 2006 said: first of all there is no jesus.Christians rr just whiney hoes.and heres sumthin to think about.how the hell can life be real if everything has to be made by sumthing else.it all leads down to nuthing.and magic is real but not fkn spiritual.its all in the human mind.ESP,Psy,and Your aura.ok.and superstition changes ur minds frequency therefore ur third eye seems to kick in.so if u were doing a spell on somones love for u,all it is,is your third eye reaching that persons mind causing them to think about you.All u need to do really is sharpen ur third eye.AND focus on your chakras. Deardre on February 8, 2006 said: I'm sooo sorry. H, but i choose not to agree with you. I was raised "christian" and i found it was not the path to delight my heart. It was waaayyy to narrow minded. I'm not saying that is wrong, because from what i've seen, that is aprt and parcel of the teachings... that "the path" is narrow. I wish you all the joy in the world, and in all else to come in your choice of religion. it's just not mine. I wish you would be willing to accept that. you have presented your point of view, I have presented mine, and we don't see eye to eye. PLEASE, stop trying to convert me! this is MY choice, and nothing you have presented yet has swayed me in the slightest. My brother was raised with the same religion I was, and he's now a buddhist! I'm an Ecclectic Pagan! Some people seem meant to go to an older path than the one the past 3 generations have chosen! I belive in magick, I believe in the male And female aspect of the divine, I believe in reincarnation, I believe in Karma, and Dogma, I KNOW that diination used properly and carefully is accurate (depending on the choices you make in life), I believe in all these things that christianity has taken and corrupted, to try to get ancient pagans to convert! first, the was judaeism. then, catholocism. then along came christianity. all because someone did not like what was written and preached from the pulpit of the church, from the book the church used. so, they sat down, and re-translated that same book until it is now near-intelligible! Please, don't preach at me! I'm not trying to get you to convert to paganism, and I don't want to convert to christianity. I just want you to admit that i have the right to pratice whatever i wish as long as it does not harm another person's free will. I am not going around doing anything to interfear with free will, nor am I trying to "corrupt" innocent minds with my religion. All i wish is to be acknowledged, and left in peace to share my knowledge with those who WANT to learn what i have learned, and are willing to share there experiances. thanks for your time. Hav a nice trip on the earth! -Deardre Deardre on February 8, 2006 said: Dear H: You still failed to respond to the question of how it is you can believe in somethig that has been watered down, re-translated, and re-vamped by all these diffrent people over the years. How can you TRULY believe in the bible when it is so hard to know if you have a truly accurate translation? and another thing... I have heard rumors about Lillith, but again, in every bible i ever read, there is not even a peep about her. Another bible thing that always puzzled me.... what eer happened to some of the angels, and human/angel crossbreeds that are occasionally mentioned when you first start to read the bible? My paternal grandfather was a preacher, and was unable to answer that question. Noone I have met has been able to explain it to me either. Noone seems to be able to find any of the books that are made refrence to in earlier translations, and yet it says "do not add to or remove from this work." How do you explain that?????? I would LOVE to hear your answers as soon as you have a few, H. Please, take all the time you need. I'm not going anywhere any time soon. Guenevere on February 9, 2006 said: Hi there Deadre and H, I've been reading your reponses to my posting and to each other. Interesting to say the least. I agree with both of you on several counts.  The fact of the matter is that we all need to know who we are and where we come from and to know where we are going.  No one would be able to cope in this life without the belief of a higher power.  I too am an Electic pagan.. I follow many beliefs from the Christian church I converted to but I have seen and read way to much to think that that is all there is...I know that all things considered everyone in there differences has a piece of the same puzzle..what the picture in that puzzle is we may never know until we get there.  Honestly I think Humans are not able to cope with the knowledge which is why we do not have all the pieces yet.  We don't seem to be able to accept what we have...ie... differences in religion.  We are unique in our own ways and yet we are the same...we have all come from a higher power a creator if you will for lack of agreement on the term. In the end we will all return and find the answers we seek. In the mean time we should accept what we have in all it's diversity and understand that we will never be ready for the next step if we cannot deal with the first. As for the bible and the statement of do not take away or remove from this book is not referring to the bible but the books in the bible...each section...be it the book of Matthew, the book of genesis the book of revelations... each was written by someone different at a different time and each is in it's own it's own book... compiled into a larger book. When they say do not add or take away they do not mean the bible but that particular section of the bible... this is a common misconception in Christanity many do not understand the meaning.  Actually many do not understand the meaning of alot of what they read and theirfore form their own translation...not just in christanity but in everything. We should all remember not to take everything around us to heart... we could all be staring at the same picture but see completely different things.  The angels you refer to Deadre...I'm not sure about other churchs but ours believes that the Lord put several immortals on the earth to assist his people in various forms... whether or not that is true I don't know..I've yet to meet one... does that mean they don't exist... no...  I believe there is more out there then any of us know... we just have to accept that and look for the rest of the pieces.... as Shakespeare said and said it best...there are more things in heaven and earth Horatio then are dreamt of in your philosopy.....   and Deadre you were right on the protection thing in Islam...I found it... I hope all of you are having a truly blessed day and as always I invite your comments without prejudice. Lady Guenevere Guenevere on February 9, 2006 said: Deadre, I looked into the Lillith thing...I've never heard of it but many I know have...there seems to be no biblical basis for it but there are many accounts of her from various cultures... this may be something we never know the answer to.... all the books of the bible are not there...some have been removed...some have been re done.. and some have not even been found yet... we may never know.... I personally do not have the answers..but I am curious..I will add it to my list of things to ask our "creator"  our "God" our "Goddess"  whoever greets me.  LOL.... Lady Guenevere Deardre on February 9, 2006 said: I remember that i think it was in genesis i saw refrence to angels and children of angels be human women in my grandfathers bible. I wish there was a way yo take the books of the bible and translate the entire book fro the original alnguage in such a way that almost everyone can agree that it is accurate. it's like in the movie, Stargate, when the doctor jackson comes in and in 2.5 seconds puts to hell 5 years and millions of dollars in research with putting the translation into "Stargate" from what they had on the board. I'm not saying get Daniel Jackson, but get 6 top translators, and have them work together until they reach a translation of each book they can agree on, and then pass that out to the masses. I just want to see what it says. H on February 10, 2006 said: -- --------how it is you can believe in somethig that has been watered down, re-translated, and re-vamped by all these diffrent people over the years---------- This is a common misperception of the Bible.  Made up by folks who don’t do their homework – or do too much of it.  When the Dead Sea Scrolls were found ca. 1947 and matched up large sections of the Bible essentially word for word with the passed down text – scholarly debate turned away from the “passed down, watered down” arguments to the “the authors were making stuff up” arguments.   ----------Noone seems to be able to find any of the books that are made refrence to in earlier translations, and yet it says "do not add to or remove from this work." How do you explain that??????---------- The two references to this sort of activity that I can think of in the Bible occur in Prov 30:5-6 and Rev 22:18-19. Prov 30:5-6 "Every word of God is flawless;        he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words,        or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. “ Rev 22:18-19 “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.” While I think the later, written by the apostle John, is indeed referring solely to the book of Revelation – the former goes for “every word of God” so I wouldn’t mess around with that one. ----------what eer happened to some of the angels, and human/angel crossbreeds that are occasionally mentioned when you first start to read the bible?---------- The answer to what “happened to them” is that they got wiped out in the flood.  The more puzzling question is who the heck were they…  Much debate goes back and forth.  One side believes they were godly descendants of Seth – and the other side believes they were horny fallen angles.   Check out http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/nephilim.html for more info. ------- but get 6 top translators, and have them work together until they reach a translation of each book they can agree on------ Try about 20 times that number and you get the NIV – which is pretty good. http://www.ibs.org/niv/mct/ The inspired word of God, however, is not any translation of it.  If you want to read what the Bible says you need to read it in the original languages.  Thankfully, many faithful men and women who know those languages pretty well have done a lot of work for us and we have many translations to choose from. H on February 10, 2006 said: Ahh the second one was really a response to Lady G's comments about adding to the text.  Sorry.  To answer your question - those books were lost and its hard to find someone to blame.  You never know - maybe we'll find them someday - but it still doesn't detract from the Scripture we have today.     Deardre on February 10, 2006 said: I'm sorry, but i think there are too many translations of the bible to get a really accurate idea of what is being said. unless you know waaaaay more synonems than i do.(yeah, my spelling sux, sorry. I spell phonetically when i'm not sure of the spelling) one of the favorite games by brother and i would play was see how many ways we could say something. again, taking the term stargate for example: star: bright distant light gate: short entry space now, put those definitions in a foreign language, and re-translate, and how many possibles will you find? this is why i'm not fond of the bible as a historical source. again, it was also re-translated by King James. just because most passages match word for word with the dead sea scrolls, does not mean that other passages were not changes to reflect things going on in that time. can you find the passage about "thou shall not suffer a witch to live" and tell me what that means to you? because we talked about this on an email list. there are several possible translations for the non-english word witch, one of which boils down to "one who would cause harm with magick" (see what i mean about words and what they mean and translations?) if the word meaning "all persons who use Magick" is there instead of witch, that would include those who use magick to help, and heal. if it is the word meaning "those who use magick to cause harm" that is a diffrent thing entirely. this is why i have issues with the bible, and christians in general. there are christians who think that because i read tarot cards, i'm using a tool of the devil, and i'm going to be taken over by the devil..... etc.etc.etc. Guenevere on February 10, 2006 said: I don't think anyone suffers anyone to live...what we all seek is understanding of a higher power. Unfortunatly some have found aspects that they believe to be so true and have worked so well for them that they wish not only to continue that path but to share it with those around them whom they understand to be lost or suffering. Unfortunatly not every person on this great earth was meant to follow the same path. The war in Heaven was fought over free agency... Lucifer would have us have perfect lives but with no choice in how it is lived... perfectly miserable.  The war as the teachings of the bible goes says that Micheal escorted Lucifer from the heavens that the angels and saints had prevailed in winning man his free agency.  Meaning we may choose our path and make our decisions of our own free will..but that we must also suffer or glory in the consequences of those choices. Each man is in a small amount responsible for the fate of his fellow brother or sister...however the choices we make.. our decisions and actions are ultimately our own repsonsiblity.  As much as I would love to shout from the roof top that every person on earth should practice my religion because it works for me I know that there are those who would not because they have found what works for them.  I resolved years ago to answer questions when asked in an educational if you will debate..but I refuse to discuss religion if it means it will anger offend or upset the other person. I do not believe in pushing what I know on others... should you chose to ask for learning purposes..or even to educate yourself I will gladly discuss it in a civilized manner with anyone.  It is when we become overbearing and forceful that we truly loose our religion.. you cannot do God or the Goddess's work in Satan's way. Perhaps we should all agree to disagree. We do not know who is right and who is wrong...we all hope that we are right in our own pratices but truly we will never know until we get to the next step. Perhaps in the meantime we should learn from each other... there are many christian traditions that have come from the Pagan religion... perhaps we should start with that... how did they come to be christan holidays... and yes I know that they were used to incorporate many pagans into the Christian faith but I think there is more to it than that...all religions have similarities many of which stem from the same thing... perhaps we should set aside the differences in our faiths and concentrate on similarities...perhaps Deadre and H if you both looked at the others faith in a regards to historical reference you would learn alot from each other... I think our "creator" (for a term we can all agree on) would prefer that we try to understand our fellow man and respect them for their diffences than try to bring them down...  Let me pose this question... and my own answer.. then you can give me yours.. if you were to find out tomorrow that all of this...all of it... God, Alah, the Goddess, the saints all of it all of it..... did not exist that it was just a fairy story made up and elaborated on along the way.... would you tell anyone the truth? Even if you could prove it to the masses beyond any doubt would you tell anyone?  I personally would not... reason being... that whatever you believe.. whatever you believe in...you must believe.... that is what holds people to together... even those who claim to believe in nothing believe in something...it is our comfort in our time of need...it is our will and our drive to do better for ourselves and those around us...it drives us to help our fellow man and to reach out to him...it keeps us from doing wrong and allowing others to do wrong... I don't think it is important what you believe but so long as you believe and you do your best to be the best.... just believe in something...someone, somewhere.... and we will all make out okay.... As always... I invite your comments without prejudice.... lol lol Have a blessed day. Lady Guenevere. Barbara Winfree on February 14, 2006 said: I want to go to the casino but I desperately need to win big money to keep from losing everything I own.I know this sounds dumb but Iamserious, can anyone really help me? No fakes or money grabbers ,please. Ineed real help and I know there are people who can help me. I know this is strange, but serious. Barbara Winfree on February 14, 2006 said: I want to go to the casino but I desperately need to win big money to keep from losing everything I own.I know this sounds dumb but Iamserious, can anyone really help me? No fakes or money grabbers ,please. Ineed real help and I know there are people who can help me. I know this is strange, but serious. Deardre on February 15, 2006 said: I would not tell anyone if i found out it was all agiant hoax. I would rather find out who set up such a thing and why. I know that paganism and christianity have many things in commen. My parents raised me in the christian faith. I choose the path theat i am on because it is right for me. I don't try to push my faith onto others, or tell them that this is the only right path to take. I don't intend to offend, or anger anyone. I am willing to share what i believe with those who wish to know more, as long as they are over the age of consent, and/or they have a parent or guardian's permission Guenevere on February 15, 2006 said: Good Point I agree... H on February 16, 2006 said: As a scientist, if I found out that Jesus wasn't God, I would tell people.   I would tell them why the Christian faith brought so much joy in suffering and so much hope in dispair.  I would tell them why countless marriages were redeemed, why exuberant and creative children were raised, and why the confession and repentance of sin brought people closer together.  I would tell them why billions of people sacrificially gave away their time, talent, and treasure every day to love people in need.  I would tell them why women and have value and dignity, why we don't practice cannibalism, why we don't sacrifice our children to gods, and why we are able to own property of our own.  I would tell them why faithful Christian men and women aren't lazy wimps or abusive tyrants.  I would tell them why normal people are able to read, why they have modern technology conveniences like medicine and microwaves, and why we don't live in constant fear of death from secret police, wars, and plauges. I would tell them why democratic governments were established - why America was formed, etc...   Sure - I'd tell them it was all a hoax. Deardre on February 16, 2006 said: So, H, if i understand you correctly, If you found it was all a giant hoax you would tell everyone you could as soon as you could. what would you tell them? "Guess what, it was a hoax." What would you tell them when they ask what it was all for if it was a hoax? Deardre on February 16, 2006 said: I just want to repeat that i am not trying to be belligerint or antagonistic. I am just curious to hear what H would have to say to all these people who ask him why after he tells them it was all a giant (supposed) hoax. Guenevere on February 16, 2006 said: Hmmm, I'm curious too. Are you being sarcastic or do you think something could be gained from this? I would think that such a huge reveal would cause anarchy.  Or perhaps you are counting on those who would choose not to believe you and continue to practice their faith with hopes that they would still be judged by a righteous and higher power?  Interesting.  Come to think of it. That is exactly what the pagans did when the Christians came about. Very interesting. Please elaborate H, I'm interesting to hear your theory behind your decision... again..without prejudice. Have a blessed Day Lady Guenevere H on February 16, 2006 said: My point is this:  It's not a hoax - and the question leads us nowhere.   Here's where we're at - we all believe in a "creator".  We all believe in spiritual forces.  We all believe in magick.  (We all have a friend with big red shoes, etc...) Have you ever just honestly opened your heart and prayed to Jesus, specifically by name, asking Him to forgive, purify, and save you into a life of everlasting hope and joy?  I'm asking you (daring you?) to do this today, honestly, and just wait a few days with an open and humble heart to see what happens. The whole point of my first post was that you can direct spell casting to the real creator in the form of prayer and reap everlasting rewards.   Am I pushing my faith on you?  YES Am I trying to convert you?  YES Why?  Becuase I really do care.  I've found a free gift that's more valuble than anything else and I want others to receive it as well.  If any of you live in central Europe, or in the Northwest US, I'd love to meet up and chat sometime.  But the truth is, you can usually find a faithful church nearby - one that is full of honest, humble, and teachable people who are seeking truth and willing to talk about their experiences.   Why don't we do this - given we are on the Internet:     Give me something to read that will take me a couple of hours or less.  Something that you want me to seriously consider about your worldview/faith/religion - and I'll read it thoughtfully and tell you what I think.   After I do this - I would ask that you do the same - consider something I give you to read that takes a simliar length of time. And we'll discuss. What do you think? NATIVEHONEY69 on February 19, 2006 said: JUST WANTING TO SAY HI, I'M SORRY IF I OFFEENDED ANYONE THE OTHER DAY SPEAKING OF MY RELIGION. ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS MY GRANDMOTHER WAS A VERY POWERFUL WITCH, SO IS MY MOTHER, AND SO AM I, SOMETIMES I JUST FEEL PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF ME, I'M A VERY, VERY, BEAUTIFUL LADY BUT WHEN THEY FIND OUT MY SECRET, THEY GET SCARED, I HAVE NEVER DONE A SPELL TO HARM ANYONE, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT, FOR THE OTHERS IN MY FAMILY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE, BUT I'M DIFFERENT. I NEED SOMEOBE TO TALK TO. FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME IF U WANT TO CHAT. NATIVEHONEY69 on February 19, 2006 said: JUST WANTING TO SAY HI, I'M SORRY IF I OFFEENDED ANYONE THE OTHER DAY SPEAKING OF MY RELIGION. ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS MY GRANDMOTHER WAS A VERY POWERFUL WITCH, SO IS MY MOTHER, AND SO AM I, SOMETIMES I JUST FEEL PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF ME, I'M A VERY, VERY, BEAUTIFUL LADY BUT WHEN THEY FIND OUT MY SECRET, THEY GET SCARED, I HAVE NEVER DONE A SPELL TO HARM ANYONE, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT, FOR THE OTHERS IN MY FAMILY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE, BUT I'M DIFFERENT. I NEED SOMEOBE TO TALK TO. FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME IF U WANT TO CHAT. Guenevere on February 19, 2006 said: H, Actually I have, time and time again, prayed to Jesus and to God and to the saints all in turn.  I do believe in Christianity and I do believe in God...but I also believe in so much more. I believe that our creator gave us a planet rich in resources. That everything we ever needed was provided to us.  The corporate world has squandered the riches of the earth. Destroying rain forests that could hold cures for numerous diseases, feeding meat and bone meal to animals that should only eat grain and diseasing them, then putting them in the food chain. Filling our foods with chemicals and additives that are not found in nature that weren't meant for humans to consume.  We have strayed from the what we were told to do in the Garden of Eden .... entirely. God sent Jesus to be the "savior" of the world to redeem everyone of their sins. Jesus is to be the perfect example to all... where is Jesus's wife?  He has one... make no mistake... Christianity is huge on presearving the sanctitiy of marriage. Why because it comes from the Creator. If there is a God then there is a Goddess. The Savior had a wife. Her name was Mary Magdalene.  Many faiths have made her out to be a harlot...why because she represents something more..something that Pagans have known for a long time... in order for things to be balanced in life and in nature there must be a feminine to balance the masculine and vice versa. If you don't believe me count how many times Mary Magdalene washes the feet of Jesus in the bible. In the jewish faith only a wife may wash the feet of a man and that man must be her husband. That is the tradition. How many thirty year old Jewish men do you know who are not married. I don't deny your God. I know he exists. I know the Goddess exists as well that together they balance all. But I disagree with what mankind has done to the history and the record of our creator.  I disagree with what humanity has done to the things which we have been given. I can give you a perfect example of this and why I disagree. I have been fighting with doctors for four years over an illness that they thought was MS but refused to do anything about. As they wasted their time I prayed...I prayed to anyone that would listen to grant me some relief from what I was suffering.  I finally got a diagnosis of MS and was told I would be in a wheelchair within five years.  I am 28 years old. I was a formidable athelete in High school and college...I kept in the best shape I could...I have a nine year old daughter and a husband who is a solider both rely on me for support tremendously.  I was given a sentence of immobility and told there was nothing they could do here are some pain pills go home.  I prayed and I prayed and I prayed. Nothing helped. Then I started to reach out to other MS patients. I found one lady in Ontario who has similar symptoms to mine. Her MS was also very agressive to the point where she was looking at a wheelchair in months not years. She turned to nature and to God and the Goddess. She went back to the roots that we were intended to follow. She went to organic foods and materials, she turned to meditation and gardening as well as Yoga and she stopped the progression of the disease dead in it's tracks. She has had mild symptoms over the last two years but nothing that would constitute a relapse of the disease for two full years. I have chosen this route as well and have found more comfort in it and more relief than anything that modern medicine has provided me in four years. My house has been entirely purged of the current chemical compounds that are found in many homes today. I clean with water and natural solvents like vinegear.  I meditate, I garden, I use the herbs from my garden and the fruits from the trees in my yard for food, flavoring and medicinal purposes and everyday I pray and give thanks to both God and the Goddess. I keep my house my family and my life balanced with nature, the spirits and the Gods. If this is evil than so be it. I would rather die a painless and peaceful death in my sleep knowing that I have lived a full life and given everything I could to my family and friends then die a slow painful death having given nothing because it was taken from me.  Justice comes in many forms, fairness comes in many forms and Mercy comes in many forms... mine is the imagaine of both the Male God and The Female Goddess together working in unison for the betterment of the people they love. Elizabeth on February 21, 2006 said: Became a Christian,thoroughly disallusioned,disappointed.  Been through a lot.  Guess what, the church helped when I was down and out very ,very little.  It was friends that helped the most from different walks of life.  I'm not putting God down,just angry,..............no downright furious!   Don't know what you would call it, but things come to mind to do to help myself and others.  For instance, I write things down,then burn the paper,makes me feel better.  I wear an amulet for something that i need.  As long as it helps myself and others, I'm o.k. with it. Elizabeth on February 21, 2006 said: Became a Christian,thoroughly disallusioned,disappointed.  Been through a lot.  Guess what, the church helped when I was down and out very ,very little.  It was friends that helped the most from different walks of life.  I'm not putting God down,just angry,..............no downright furious!   Don't know what you would call it, but things come to mind to do to help myself and others.  For instance, I write things down,then burn the paper,makes me feel better.  I wear an amulet for something that i need.  As long as it helps myself and others, I'm o.k. with it. Elizabeth on February 21, 2006 said: Barbara, did u go to casino?  If so I hope you won what you needed.  As a matter of fact I'm in a tight spot myself, need money badly.  Please post and let me know.  I feel for you. Deardre on February 23, 2006 said: Dear H and Everyone who chooses to read my postings. I was raised for my entire life as Christian. My friends were christian. I always felt like somehithing was missing. I found that Something with my path now. I found The Goddess, who works with, and beside, The God to ensure that everything goes the way it ought to. I work with what is around me. I just finished 3 dream pillows, and am starting a fourth. I bought a book on meditation. I cannot stop asking questions. I refuse to sit down, ahut up, and be meek and obediant to a man becuase he was born that way. Being born a sex does not mean you know best. It does not mean that you are best in the house, cleaning and caring for children, or in the workplace, doing something else. My path allows me to ask questions. encourages me to ask questions. braoden my horizens, be tolerant of others, do what I do best and share what I know with others! My path teaches me to treat others with respect, courtesy, and love. Merry meet is how we greet merry part is our wish bright the cheeks and warm the heart is how we spend our days. If this is a sin, then let me say, I am GLAD to be a sinner. I WANT to be a sinner. I've loved Jesus, and I adored God. I found my home, and my unconditional love, and encouragement. There is nowhere else I would rather be. Thank you, for loving me enough to want me happy. Thank you for loving Jesus and God enough to want to share them with me. I am happy with my path that I have chosen. I am happier than anything else I could possibly be. I grew up christian. I am not a christian. I do not want to be a christian. Nothing you have said, or want to say, will change my mind. Blessings on you and yours, may you have all you can use. -Deardre Katherina on March 3, 2006 said: If I am a good person and lead a good life but never follow the path to "God" then by many of the definitions I have read here I would be denided and not allowed to go into "heaven". If that is the kind of god you believe in, well I feel sorry for you. I was raised Babtist and have friends who are Jewish, Methodist, Islamic, Catholic, Babtist, Pagan, Wiccan and just believe in themselves. I myself follow a Celtic path but I believe in "god" and many other things as well. And any god who would condeme me for being a good person is a god I don't want to know. The only thing I ask of those around me is tell me how you feel, how you believe and I will respect your beliefs and your right to have them. All I ask is you do the same for me. I hope everyone out there finds a path the is right for them and I hope that you learn to practice what you preach. Tolerance, Love, Forgivness, Understanding, Respect. Guenevere on March 7, 2006 said: Deadre, H and Katherina, Well said, well put, well spoken. You have all made one thing clear, each of you is striving to find your "home".  I believe each and everyone of you will if you have not already.  It is a truly beautiful and blessed world that would grant so many the opportunity to live in peace and worship despite our differences and diversities. Whatever our orgin whatever our path we have been given a wonderful opportunity that was not given to our ancestors, Christian, Pagan or otherwise. The freedom and right to choose and worship as we please and as our concious guides us without recrimination.  Cherish this time, this place, this opportunity. Blessed Be!  BLESSED BE!!!! Lady Guenevere Katherina on March 8, 2006 said: Thank you Lady Guenevere, I would only like to say I agree with you completely and I hope you too have found the path that brings love and peace into your life as well.   Blessed Be and Love To All  .                                           Katheirna Heatha on March 24, 2006 said: Can someone tell how to reverse a bad luck spell that someone cast on me? Just an observer on March 29, 2006 said: I just have to say that I have found this forum to be very interesting, both to see how people of other faiths see people of my faith, and to see how people of my faith treat other people.  I'm sorry that some people are disrespectful.  It seems to go against what I was taught in my Christian education--do to others as you would have others do to you.  I just want to say that there are Christians out there who are respectful to Wiccans, Islams, Jews, or whomever.  The sad thing is, I suspect the hypocrites and the proselitizers (sp?) outnumber us fifty to one.  That's probably why most of us ultimately fall away from the church proper in order to reconnect to our own faith.  I think Lady Guenevere said it best when she said above, "...each of you is striving to find your own 'home.'"  That's all that any of us can to strive for, and it's my devout hope that everyone finds that for themselves someday.   Oh, this is kind of out of my area of expertise, but can a person be a Christian and a Wiccan?  It seems to me that at the heart of both faiths there are a lot of common truths.  What's anyone's take on this? Lady Guenevere on March 30, 2006 said: Most certainly.  There are alot of Christians who also hold pagan views.  I am one of them. There are things I believe in, in both faiths.  The fact of the matter is that no one has the whole truth we're all looking for it. Each faith has a piece. Put the pieces together and your one step closer. Many faiths have shared principals.  The Christian belief of do unto others as you would have them do unto you can also be seen in the Wiccan rede... an it harm none do what ye will.... it's all a matter of perspective.  My brother in law is a combination of buddhist and Christian.. he took the best principals from the two faiths and combined them. I think if you look you will find many who share this concept of faith. Blessed Be Lady Guenevere H on March 30, 2006 said: Here's what the Bible says on the subject (small sample): --- "Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to The Lord, and because of these detestable practices The Lord your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before The Lord your God." (Deuteronomy 18:10-13 NIV) "For rebellion is like the sin of divination and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. (1 Samuel 15:23 NIV) "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissentions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit The Kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21 NIV) "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur." (Revelation 21:8 NIV) ---- To be a Christian you cannot pick and choose verses.  Jesus is thoroughly offensive - they killed him for it.    Lady Guenevere on March 30, 2006 said: To be Christian means that you also don't judge.   Paganism is not what has been posted above. No one can say what something is unless they have truly experienced it for themselves. So I will tell you my experience on that front.  I am a Christian. But I believe that much of what we were given and intended to be given in the beginning has been lost and scattered. I went looking for more pieces to the puzzle. To fulfil my needs and the empty spiritual space. For example. I have MS. I use a variety of herbal teas, meditation, yoga, reflexology, and massage to help with my symptoms.  I have an organic garden during the summer and a green house during the winter. I respect the earth and every living creature on it as being a creation made by and loved equally by a higher power. I also believe as it says in Genesis and throughout Pagan literature that everything we have or will ever need was given to us in the earth. From the Garden of Eden down to present day... the earth was created for man, to help him, from the plants to the animals, the stones, minerals, vegitation and water...it was all provided to us for our use.. but we are to use it wisely. Pagans believe in doing no harm to others... a belief shared by Christians, Toaists, Buddhists, Jews and Muslims. There will be extremeists in every faith unfortunatly. There will be zealots and hypocrits. In the end you will find that most faiths have the same philosophies, and beliefs.. who they answer too well that may differ.. my personal belief is that we all answer to the same power..different name same power..... just like Santa Claus... aka ,,,Pere Noel, aka Father Christmas, aka Chris Kringle... the list goes on there are almost a hundred different names for one person. Everything on the earth has a balancing end.. for every male there is a female so to speak.  Christ is suppose to be the perfect example to mankind... he was born human as were we, he was baptised and confirmed as we are taught in teh Christian faith we should also be. The Christian churchs teach that marriage is of God and that it is sacred and that we should procreate and relenish the earth...if Christ is the perfect example of this is it not sensible to think he did the same? Where was he for all those years that are missing from scripture? In the Jewish faith to not have a spouse at that point in a man's life is unspeakable. There are many reasons that I obsearve in nature and in the bible that lead me to believe in not only a God but also a Goddess. In Christ and his teachings but also in what I believe to be true.. for this reason I accept both the teachings of Christ and his Church but also the concept of a Heavenly mother and Goddess. A balance of the heavens. You yourself will have to find a faith that you feel fills the spiritual void one that you feel comfortable with and that renews your spiritual side. Not a decision that someone else can make for you.  I will not attempt to convert anyone. I am who I am where I am and I am at peace with myself, my world and my creator and that is most important to me. I will answer questions but the decision is yours. I will not tell you that I am right and H is wrong or vice versa. It is not my place...it is your path your journey... if I can provide information that may assist you along the way I will but in the end it is a journey we all must make on our own. Is this evil... I don't believe so because my "christian" church encourages the same thing. Interpretation is exactly that... interpretation.  To be certain you will have to ask the Lord himself and until you do all you will have is interpretation by other humans such as yourself. In the end you are responsible for your own actions. Choices that can only be made by you. And it is between your conscience and the power that you answer to. Do what your heart tells you is right and you cannot go wrong... no God no matter how powerful will hold that against any man. In the end .... Just an observer you will have to choose what your heart tells you is right...no man (or woman for that matter) of flesh and blood can make such a decision for you. But once you have made your choice do not feel guilt or shame for it...whatever the choice is...it is your choice, your life... your destiny.. live it well. Blessed Be Lady Guenevere Brighid on March 31, 2006 said: Been there.(church 3x per week) Done that.(saved- not once, but twice...) Left there. Now here.  Not worried about where I'm going to end up.  I made it this far with the help of the Divine and my own hard work, not by following a set of rules. And, I believe I'll be taken care of for the rest of my life(lives) ;) Now, that's faith! Religion is a defined set of rules that people impose upon one another consciously or unconsciously.(guilt imposed is a mighty, mighty weapon) Spirituality is the relationship of a person with the Divine, however each wonderful individual perceives Her/Him/Them, etc... Think outside the box...It's a lot of fun!!!(And, it's safe! Goddess doesn't mind if you think!!!:>) gitana67 on April 10, 2006 said: i would like to comment and ask a question... i can see a person who i dont know and see who he is,among other things that i can do...my family says that i have a special gift...im a homemaker and a part-time babysitter...i like to help people i lot when they ask........the question is is it possible to be good and with everybody but when it comes to my self nothing is possible....is just bad luck????please somebody answer....bless be and be well..... Lady Hawke on April 21, 2006 said: I'd like to learn more about the red headed Goddess I hapen to resemble that I've had quite the ordeal I beleive in the ten commandments and study constantly I find it interesting to learn about a site for ecclectics I do some reading am empathic. grace of God and Goddess guide and protect you all your days blessed be Lady Hawke on April 21, 2006 said: I was wondering to If I began a spell of bonding together for the perfect sympatic relationship 3 years ago and my chosen told me to go play (guess god wasn't ready for that yet) can I renew that? I've learned much scince then and was wondering if there is anybody else whom has spoken directly to God I need Him now (soon) sure sounds weird but true blessed be Stephanie on April 23, 2006 said: Dear H, I'm a high school Senior writing a term paper due in like, three days. I'm also, as someone claimed to be, an eclectic pagan and have been for at least three years. My parents aren't very happy with my decision. In fact all of my family but my aunt (who is like my best friend, she is more involved and researched in the matter) are upset by my decision to practice. In fact, I introduced my aunt to it. She dabbled alot in other churchs and religons and I went along with her because neither of us could find the niche we belonged to. I found it in a book I found at the library and introduced it to my aunt who has now been teaching me, in addition to my own research. Now the reason I mentioned my term paper was because that's how i found this web site. The subject for my paper is 'Witches, evil, and black magic in children's literature'. I didn't make up the subject but I get to choose what I write about, even change up the subject a little. In my paper I'm arguing that the Christain bible and its followers tend to be a little hypocritical and they should stop worrying so much that their kids will go to hell for reading books and stories with magic in them and instead educate their children on what Wicca and witchcraft really is. Now please don't get all huffy or upset about the hypocritical comment. Its not an uneducated conclusion. Tell me if this looks familiar: Daniel, the prophet, was employed for many years in Babylon as the chief occultist to the king. He was supervisor "of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans and soothsayers". See Daniel 5:11. What about this: “How is it that ye have agreed together to try the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of them that have buried thy husband are at the door and they shall carry thee out.” ~St.Peter~ Act 5:9 Was that not an act of sorcery? Sure what St. Peter did was totally against what I believe, ya know, harming someone, but isn't that what it was? And what was Daniel doing????...... I have no problem with anyone in any other religion I have two friends in particular that are BIG church goers, I've attended a church function with one of them and the other is a Catholic Sunday school teacher! They know what I believe and they are okay with that. I'm okay with their beliefs. We accept each other and don't preach to each other. The three of us are the best of friends and lean on each other for everything.... Maybe you should do the same. Instead of preaching to show you care, befriend one of 'us'. That's THE best way to show you TRUELY care. Pray for me if you'd like, send me a bible or two as my grandparents have(read the first one I had when I was six). I've known all my life that I didn't belong in a conventional church. I love where I am because I belong because I don't believe or practice just as everyone else does. I'm my own person in every way shape or form. Blessed be, from Indy Stephanie my email is: jbug21@hotmail.com Stephanie on April 23, 2006 said: I must make a correction. One quote I had from the bible was from he Hebrew scriptures... **Blush** but I have another, from the Christain scriptures it is St. Peter again... "You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun. (NIV)..... You can find this in either Acts 13:6-12 or Exodus 22:18. (didn't really understand where it was found) Even with my mistake though, it just proves that more than one set of scriptures contridicts itself..... Blessed be, from Indy Stephanie Clay on April 23, 2006 said: I'm hanging with my niece, Stephanie, and I've got a comment on "Christianity" and the hypocrisy that so many "saved" profess... If the Bible is written "by the hand of God" then how can there be SOOOO many questionable verses and messages?  In the book of Genesis, Eve is accused of leading Adam to "the tree of knowledge" and persuading him to eat of the "evil fruit" and thereby condemning all humans to death.  God tells Eve, that if you eat of the fruit, then you will "die this day".  God didnt want Eve to eat from the "tree of knowledge" because if she did she would be "as gods" with knowledge of right and wrong, good and bad, and have a sense of modesty which is the reason they ran to cover their bodies.  If I'm not off base, Adam and Eve then went on to propegate, according to the Bible and other ancient Abrahamic texts, the ENTIRE human race... or that's what we're led to believe in the Christian church.  Adam and Eve had 2 sons, Cain and Abel.  Cain slew Abel, and was sent away.  Then Seth comes along and is sent to live with... the others. Who were "the others" and why is knowledge so terrible?  Knowledge is power... again, if I'm not mistaken, and I could be completely off base.  Further more, Jesus' message was one of compassion and forgiveness.  If one chooses to practice a faith, such as Wicca, how is she, or he evil or wrong?  How can practicing a faith which specifically teaches, "and it HARM NONE, do what thou wilt" be somehow beneath the cause of the Christian Church. In my experience, it's a more difficult path to follow the Wiccan path and harm none, than to not commit adultry and kill folks along with the other 8 rules to live by. Not one time in any of the research that I've done have I found a single example of a Pagan group running to another country like say , oh... Iraq or Persia, calling it say oh... the Crusades, and killing hundreds upon hundreds of "heathens" in the name of God/dess. Nor have I heard of a bunch of witches getting together to burn Christians for believing that their prophet actually walked on water and rose from the dead. In fact, we'd probably cheer it on and want to know how he did it.   If Christianity is such a peaceful, loving faith, how can so many people that profess to practice the teachings of Christ have such a low tolerance for anything that Pat Robertson,Lester Sumerall, Ron Parsley, or Benny Hinn didnt spout off about during one of their "love gift" tirades?   Jesus was killed, if the stories are true, because the leaders feared him because his message was new and refreshing.  He preached tolerance and forgiveness. He preached to love your neighbor as you would yourself, and he never threw in for good measure... unless your neighbor doesnt follow your path in faith.  The message from Jesus has been taken and twisted to the point of perversion.  People are still to this day condemned by "Christians" trying to reach out to those of us not "saved" to spare us from a life in "the lake of fire" because we dont run out on street corners testifying what a wonderful god we follow.  I would like to think that my life is testament to the god/dess that is in my life, and I'm eternally grateful that I was able to accept that Jesus was a prophet that ultimately showed me the path of Wicca.  Had it not been for the bastardization that I found in so many "Christian" churches, I never would have questioned the path that I was led down during my childhood nor would I have found my way to the path that I am currently on... Blessed Be Clay   Katherina on May 26, 2006 said: This is just a simply question for clay. If you practice "Harm none", then how can you justify acting so superior? Wicca better than Christian? No, a different view, a different way of looking at things,yes. Feel sorry for those who don't practice what they preach, not anger. Feel compasion and try to educate. For those who refuse to learn or simply don't want to see any other side but there own, let them have their belief. Give respect reguardless. Send them positive energy and thoughts. We are all equal, it is those who think they are better than others that need support and hopefully will see that love is love, faith is faith, and being a part of the human race, the whole human race is the right thing.   You seem really sincere and I believe you have a strong faith and I hoped to give you some words to think about. Thats all.      Blessed Be and God Bless,  Katherina Guenevere on May 28, 2006 said: Oh my so much happens when you take a day off to weed out the herbs.... lol lol..... So very interesting the view points that we find on this site.  I found Stephanie and Clay's postings refreshing.  An interesting angle of the great perspective if you will. Although I have to say I don't think they were trying to put wicca above christianity but rather give another view of why... we practice what we do. I think there are alot of sites out there perhaps this one included that have become pet projects of individuals who feel we must all be saved. And it can become rather annoying and frustrating to many of us to have to explain our life styles again and again and again...   Fear not... one day we will all look back on this and laugh until we explode.... still waiting for that day. Katherina has a good point too.... much as some postings on various sites annoy me because they are trying to convert me back to christianity....been there done that stop knocking at my door...it is important to remember to reflect postitive energy back to these individuals... who knows it may discourage them.... if nothing less their prays for you and your energy for them could meet somewhere in the cosmos and call a good ol' fashion truce.... one can hope. As for some previous questions I saw on here.... I believe and please someone correct me if I'm wrong...... I believe the red haired Goddess refered to earlier was Briget.... or Bridget as she is sometimes referred to.  You would want to look up Ostara and Avalon. The monestary that sits on the border of Avalon (as the christian legend claims) was dedicated to Briget and up until several centuries ago the nuns used to tend to a shrine in her name even though she was a Pagan Goddess. It has been awhile since I read the story on it...I'll look it up again and see what I can find but I believe it is Briget you are referring to. She is an Irish Saint as well. The only other red head I am familar with is Morgause but she is not commonly known or pictured so it's more likely Briget. As for the question posed by Gitana..... it is possible that in doing good for others you are absorbing their negative energy.  Any time I help a friend in need I usually do a cleansing ritual beforehand if I have time and know what I am about to do and a short protection ritual to keep the negative energy from sticking around. I always do one afterward incuding a cleansing bath, especially if I have come across a potentially spiritually draining event.... even work can do that some days.... Gump says stupid is as stupid does...I prefer to say Kharma is as Kharma does.... eventually it will come back to bless you.... just be careful how much you are taking on yourself... remember to center yourself on a regular basis and get rid of that negative energy. Hope that helps. Blessed be Lady Guenevere onita on July 3, 2006 said: i really need a save person to about church Lady Hawke on July 17, 2006 said: Does anyone know how to disipher dahrma to choose the desired path and be sure to adhere to an it harm none as some darmatric paths I am aware of cause harm because somebody is perversing my magic, I need to straighten this out and take my riteful place yet others offer choces at a cost of untold sacrifice though I'd not ask this of others that'd be a vain endevor as evil isn't satiated as good is and you may well know alwready, I don't know how or why some find pleasure in crewel things but see that that exists so the answer is to aviod it therefore I need to better see through the thin guise of deception, to correct choices made for me and allow my own good decisions to stand.   Lady Hawke on July 17, 2006 said: Does anyone know how to disipher dahrma to choose the desired path and be sure to adhere to an it harm none as some darmatric paths I am aware of cause harm because somebody is perversing my magic, I need to straighten this out and take my riteful place yet others offer choces at a cost of untold sacrifice though I'd not ask this of others that'd be a vain endevor as evil isn't satiated as good is and you may well know alwready, I don't know how or why some find pleasure in crewel things but see that that exists so the answer is to aviod it therefore I need to better see through the thin guise of deception, to correct choices made for me and allow my own good decisions to stand.   H on July 17, 2006 said: Hi all, its been awhile - there are a million questions above that I'd love to chat about over coffee with each one of you - but as the token Christian here, please fire away (or re-copy and paste) a question or two if you're still around and I'll grab some time to answer them.     What has your experience with Christians/Christianity been?   ~H Celtic_Coldfire on July 26, 2006 said: Well...I was a christian for the last 20 years. for the last 5 years or so I had decided that christianity is not for me. Recently I stumbled upon Wicca and have never been so fulfilled and peaceful! I believe in the All...the manifestation of the Lord and Lady...and I simply meditate and focus my energies on a goal. I'm not a "spellcaster" I focus my energy toward something I desire...(spiritual growth, openness, patience etc.) is that devil worship? LoL. Nothing can sway me from my correct path and I will most definitely educate my children about my beliefs if they choose to follow the same path. I have all respect for Jesus...he was a cool guy. But I have found the path that is true for me. H on July 28, 2006 said: Worship of anyone/anything besides Jesus is demonic.  By the shear number of "I"s in your post it's clear who you are now worshiping.     According to the Bible a third of the angels essentially gave God the finger and decided they could do whatever they wanted.  Bad idea.  They lost a war in heaven and now exist as what we call demons.  Satan as their leader "mascarades as an angel of light" and does a really good job deceiving us.  You should read CS Lewis' "Screwtape Letters", which cleverly deals with this issue.   I plead with you.  Don't be deceived.  Don't fall asleep in the lap of the enemy.  He wants nothing other than to destroy you. Saying that you respect Jesus and yet deny that He's God is like saying you respect water and never drink it.  It will eventually lead to your death.   quiet one on August 1, 2006 said: H, have you read the Bible complete? Especialy Genesis? What I am saying is the says there are other Gods in it. Like for example, why does the bible say that Adam and Eve had Cain and Able, ONLY. Then how did they marry WOMEN in the neighboring country? And the Bible itself; why are there soooooooooo many different types of the Bible if there is only one true way? Heck, they are about to come out with a different version of it too! But HEY! there is another thing; how is "they," that's right, man. An does the Bible say that man is sinfull and imperferct? Then why did man right it, why is man still righting it? I mean know disrespect but still, why did man right it when he is imperfect? So if the imperfect man WROTE the Bible, then doesn't that make the Bible imperfect just like it's author? Another thing, why are there books of the Bible missing, why are they in a vault and not in the book? wouldn't that  make the Bible INOMPLETE? I mean just like any other book, if chapters are missing it does make much sense right? there is something you should be trying to figure out before you cram this junk down our throats. Get your FACTS straight first, and get the other books of the "Bible" and then we can talk about your religion. That is, if you can actually get them. *quiet one* quiet one on August 1, 2006 said: Hey it's me again. I just wanted to say that in the hebrew Bible, ya know, the ORIGIONAL version, and it says "God's" REAL name is Yaway. and the Bible says that his name is toooooooooo glorious to say. yet it is all over the Bible that it is really Yaway. What about that "H". There are ALOT of flaws in the Bible Wich only proves my early point, the by is imperfect and it can't be holy if it is imperfect know can it. *quiet one* quiet one on August 1, 2006 said: Hey does any one know of a spell that will allow you too talk to the dead? I would really apreciate it. *quiet one* Lady Guenevere on August 6, 2006 said: H, in all your wisdom you have made a big error in your posting. I'm terrible for finding things like this but I feel it necessary to point it out.   You're very quick to judge us. This is a Pagan site after all not a Christian site. You asked us for our experiences and then you used it against the person by calling them demonic. That is not very Christian of you at all. If you choose to discuss religion on a pagan site expect the response to be about Paganism and don't judge us... that is also against the Christian faith... judge not lest ye be judged... your true judge is your God... speaking of which...your mistake..... If you only worship Jesus than you yourself are demonic.... Jesus is not God... Jesus is the son of God... the Lamb of God... a prophet for some a savior for others...but he is not God.  Even the Christins agree on this. As for my experience with Christianity... I was raised as a Christian all my life...  I choose to leave it because unlike Christians... pagans and wiccans are pursuing self improvement... not self righteousness.  I personally believe alot of Christians to be hypocrites and judgemental. If you truly follow your religion than you will not judge others. Many Christians look down their nose at anyone who does not believe what they believe and they think it's there job to save the world from evil. Many Christians look down at other Christians even. I don't believe what you believe. I have tried to be patient and understanding and not judge you for your comments and your persistance in telling all of us how we are all demonic and evil and going to hell. You don't know us. You probaly have never truly tried to understand us. If you have I doubt that your attempts have gone beyond Christian views. Why not try it from the other side of the coin. Stop judging us, stop trying to convert us.... either learn something from us... at the very least tolerance... or leave this site... this is not what it's for... I live from the earth, eat only from the earth, meditate next to the earth and I worship the creator of the earth... that is not demonic.  To say it is, is a racist comment coming from a fearful uneducated group of individuals who have themselves strayed from the true and genuine teachings of their own faith. That sadly has been my experience with Christians and sadly my friend you have managed to put yourself in this grouping as well. You have shown yourself to be untolerable of individuals other than your own kind... and your own kind isn't even tolerable of itself.... that is not what any God wants from his/her people. Blessed Be Lady Guenevere Lady Guenevere on August 6, 2006 said: By the way H in regards to my previous posting...... Jesus would be ashamed of you and how you treat your fellow man.... why not try to actually live up to his example next time. H on August 8, 2006 said: quiet one, where are the flaws in the Bible that you speak of? Lady Guenevere - if you look at John 10 starting at verse 30 you'll see that Jesus claimed to be God.  In fact Jesus didn't hide His divinity and let people worship Him, including his siblings.  I mean, c'mon - if he wasn't God then you think his little brothers might have noticed.... Plus, how many people do you know go around saying things like 'before Abraham was, I am' ? Anyway, I apologize for the tact.  But if you can convince me with the Bible that anything I've said above is false, please do so.  If not, then your qualm is ultimately with the Bible - and I'd be happy to discuss on a why the Bible is trustworthy.   If you saw someone lying down in a burning house that was about to fall, wouldn't you do anything possible to save them?     Lady Guenevere on August 8, 2006 said: H, So was it God who said I am your one true God, you shall no other God but me or was it Jesus?  Because if I remember correctly it was God that gave that commandment. He sent his son to take on the sins of the world not to replace him. I have no qualms with the bible. It is in my house and I read it fairly frequently. The qualm I have is how people seem to think that becasue we believe something different we are wrong and need to be saved. You can discuss religion without preaching. No one here has told you that you are evil and wrong and a horrible person for what you believe but that is what you continually tell people on this site. I have been trying to be tolerable and patient and live up to my faith by doing so but I am growing weary of you trying to save us all and telling us we're evil and going to hell. My house is not on fire and I don't need to be saved. I don't want to be saved. I am content with who I am and what I am. I am a good person who is kind and respectful to others. I obey the laws of the land and do the best I can to be the best I can.  I have made peace with myself and my creator and you are just going to have to accept that. The majority of the postings on this site from others have said the same thing. If you want to talk to us and learn from us and share with us that is wonderful I am all for religious tolerance. But don't preach to me don't condenm me don't try to save me, I don't need it and I don't want it. Even Jesus knew when to step back.  God gave us our free will, it was a right that he gave every individual whether they believe in a God or a Goddess or something else we all have that free will. That is the will to make our own choices and live with the consequences of those choices. Not all who wander are lost, not all who flounder need to be saved... sometimes the best thing you can do for a person is let them make their own choices.  If I choose to disregard my pagan beliefs and go solely Christian and I feel I need help with that I'll look you up. Until then... let me be me... that is the Christlike thing to do.... Blessed Be Lady Guenevere quiet one on August 9, 2006 said: H, I agree with Lady Guenevere completely; you can't fix something if it is not broken. And about what I said earlier; if you look at the Bible from a different pont of view you will see the mistakes, and if you weren't in denial you would have seen them in my last message. *queit one* quiet one on August 9, 2006 said: H, I agree with Lady Guenevere completely; you can't fix something if it is not broken. And about what I said earlier; if you look at the Bible from a different pont of view you will see the mistakes, and if you weren't in denial you would have seen them in my last message. *queit one* H on August 11, 2006 said: First of all, whoever created this free site can delete my comments at any time.   Second, my goal is to point out that the Bible is not compatible with your religion.  If you agree with this, then I have nothing more to say besides 'you should read the Bible and become a Christian' - but don't tell me that Jesus was not God (this is a key central doctrine in all of Christianity, one that Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox Christians agree on...) and that you read the Bible and think that the way you're living is OK with Jesus.  This is where we can have an academic discussion.   Jesus made a whip, used it, and overturned tables of people who were making money off the temple currency system - what do you think he'll do at the end of the age to people who continuously give him the finger and worship other Gods?  (for a hint, read the Book of Revelation) Lady Guenevere on August 11, 2006 said: H, I was raised Catholic and they were very clear that Jesus was not God, that he was the son of God and the vessel to which you could commune with God. The Commandments make that clear, the bible makes that clear. Don't pervert the bible for your own well being. Second... your not looking for an academic discussion your looking to raise yourself up higher than everyone else here by using God's words to pass judgement. Not your place not your job. Third we get on here to discuss our religion with one another but are continually interupted by your racist comments. You have ruined this site and it's purpose. I'm done speaking to you H. You are a bigot and a racist and its people like you who cause the types of problems we are currently seeing in the middle east. Fighting over religion is a stupid thing to do. We aren't hurting you in the least so leave us all alone. We have asked you to leave us alone repeatedly, we have demanded that you leave us alone. We have tried academic discussion and being civil to get you to leave us alone. Don't preach to us, don't try to convert us, don't try to condemn us just go away and for the final time LEAVE US ALONE. We don't care about your religion, we don't want to hear about it or be part of it so go away. As of this moment I'm banishing you from my thoughts and from my life. I have a dibilitating, degenerative disease and a husband at war. The escalation of terrorist activity and the fighting in the middle east between lebanon and Israel may keep him overseas longer and he's been gone a year already with six more months to go.....Bigger problems than you. And if you dare say one iota abot God and praying you will see some serious magic at work. As for God's judgement... I'm not bothered in the least... here's a suggestion for you.... it's your hell of your own making and creation... you burn in it.   As for me and mine...we will continue to do what we have done for centuries...long before Jesus Christ. We will worship the creations of the creator and be one with ourselves, one with our world and our God/Godess of our own choosing. Blessed Be Lady Guenevere. quiet one on August 22, 2006 said: Lady Guenevere is right, we never asked you to come to this site and we have told you to leave, so if you know what is good for you the you will never respond to this site again, or MANY people may be forced to use drastic mesures to get you to simply LEAVE US ALONE!!! so listen to what we are saying, and if you must respond then simply say by. *quiet one* Katherina on September 16, 2006 said: To all on this site, Someone needs to remember this sites name "Spirituality" not paganism or wiccan or christian. The site may have been created for wiccans but its for spirituality, everyones. NOW H, if you are looking to convert then speak the truth, and the truth is the KING JAMES version of the Bible states that Jesus is the son of God, not God, there is a later time during the new testemant that Jesus uses the phrase of "I am" but HE(JESUS) after that point calls out to his father God and then again while on the cross he calls to his father. So Jesus is not God by the Bibles own words. Also it has been admitted by the Vantican and Pope in Rome that there are parts of the ORIGINAL (or oldest) bible that they feel should not be release to the puplic and will not allow anyone outside of their circle to read. I spoke with a catholic priest, 3 babtist ministers, and a mededist(i didn't spell that last one right) all answer the same, Faith is what draws them to there church and beliefs, None of use will know the truth until the final day, and all agreed that there are pieces of the bible that have not been published. In the end faith is all we have, whether you are wiccan, christian, buddah or any other that follows a path of love. I have a friend that is pagan, he says there is only ONE and the ONE takes on the face or name of the one that will help you find the path or love